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Weimar and Israel - Impressions and Expressions of Ijon
July 31st, 2004
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Weimar and Israel
אני קורא את רשימתו המחכימה של יוסי גורביץ על רפובליקת ויימאר הכושלת, וחושב על ארצי.

יום אחד, הסטוריון צעיר (כמו יוסי) יכתוב על נפילתה של הרפובליקה הישראלית. את משפט הסיום יוכל לגנוב מיוסי.

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From:kakapo
Date:August 1st, 2004 11:20 am (UTC)

ואגב,

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תקרא תקרא תקרא את "סיפורו של גרמני" של סבסטיאן הפנר.
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From:ijon
Date:August 1st, 2004 03:00 pm (UTC)

Re: ואגב,

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כן, אני יודע. אבל לא נראה שאספיק לקרוא משהו בקיץ הזה. יש לי עוד שני סמינרים שאין לי אפילו מושג על מה אכתוב אותם.
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From:ijon
Date:August 1st, 2004 02:59 pm (UTC)

Re: i disagree

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My comparison was not focused on the German dictator, but on the Germans' lack of support for democracy. That, I think, is similar. I don't think Sharon is a dictator.
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From:ijon
Date:August 1st, 2004 05:55 pm (UTC)

Re: i disagree

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But Israel is not sustaining its democracy, don't you see?

Arab-Israeli citizens are still considered second-class, including de-facto discrimination (see the details about Arab towns in Gurvitz's article on the municipalities' crisis, for instance); left-wingers are close to being demoted to second-class citizens, too, as Aviv Lavie's article in Ha'aretz of some months ago showed; the people of Israel feel that it is permissible for the state to kill unarmed people without trial; all members of Knesset have long since figured out that they can get away with anything, without suffering electoral repercussions, et cetera et cetera ad nauseam.
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From:shunra
Date:August 1st, 2004 10:52 pm (UTC)

Re: i disagree

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Add to that the status and living conditions of the Palestinian Arabs under occupation (they're under de facto rule of Israel, have been so for the past 37 years, and are entirely devoid of any civil rights within the state).

Add to that the ghettoization of the Palestinian Arabs, and the manner in which they are corralled and basically, removed from any feasible economic existence.

Add to that theclear abhorrence of democratic principles by various major parties (mafdal, shas, agui, as well as likud and some sections of the even-further-right wing), and the fact that most adults neither want to participate in the democratic dialogue nor are capable of doing so (education being a sorely underprioritized goal).

And about the system in the US (I can't vouch for the UK!) - voting is only a tiny portion of how people make a political difference, here. Elections are held on all levels (from county commissioner to superior court judge, along with fire department chief, sherrif, and other jobs you'd think of as bureaucratic).

Politics is about making the place you live a better place - from your neighborhood right on up to your whole world. Democracy is about having a place at the table for everyone, within the political discourse. Israel is so far from that ideal that the word oligarchy (ethnocracy, if you want to stretch the definition) would fit much better.
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From:shunra
Date:August 1st, 2004 11:00 pm (UTC)
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I've been reading as much as I can about the way it *felt* to be in Germany, in the 20s and 30s. People wrote autobiographies which give a pretty good sense of the feelings at the time.

Israel is not entirely *there*. But the process is evident: people are divesting en masse from the sense of responsibility for their place. The "bubble" people surround themselves, with the cotton-wool of "this couldn't happen in MY quiet street"... ...and then, contrast that with the people who are looking for the quick knife-slice of a revolution. THAT is scarily similar.
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