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Thucydides Today - Impressions and Expressions of Ijon
December 7th, 2004
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Thucydides Today
Thucydides prefaced his history of the Peloponnesian war with several explanations: why he chose to write it, why he chose this war to write about, and why this war is the greatest war ever fought until his time. While arguing that last point, he mentions "the known disposition of the actors in a struggle to overrate its importance [...]" (Thucydides, History of the Peloponnesian War, tr. Richard Crawley, Book I, ch. 21).

From Fred Reed's latest column:
The years will go by. Iraq will fade into the mist. Wars always do. A generation will rise for whom it will be just history. The dismembered veterans will find first that almost nobody appreciates what they did, then that few even remember it. If -- when, many would say -- the United States is driven out of Iraq, the soldiers will look back and realize that the whole affair was a fraud. Wars are just wars. They seem important at the time. At any rate, we are told that they are important.
--Wars And Their Aftermaths, Fred Reed, Dec 4th 2004
In that same prefatory book, just a few paragraphs later, Thucydides famously states:
I have written my work, not as an essay which is to win the applause of the moment, but as a possession for all time. (ibid., ch. 22)
Truly, his work is less a recording of contemporary events than it is a study of human society in extremis. The more I study it, the more parallels I find to our own day, certainly unimaginable to Thucydides and his generation, but quite full of manifestations of the same human frailties and vices.

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Date:December 7th, 2004 04:42 pm (UTC)


Is war any different than other human endeavor in this regard? People and their descendents may feel cheated out of their lives for going to war, but they may also feel that towards a corporate career, building a pyramid, or making an invention. Wars certainly can have historical impact, and that is their primary historical importance.
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Date:December 7th, 2004 05:32 pm (UTC)
It certainly seems that the U.S. is becoming/has become (for some 50 years now) an imperial democracy on the Athenian model.
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Date:December 7th, 2004 05:46 pm (UTC)
If only.
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Date:December 10th, 2004 02:12 am (UTC)
I guess you have read it but still... here's to a book that can never go wrong it seems in politics and in explaining politics: "The Prince" by Machiavely.
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